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Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby dkoert » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:29 am

In the following youtube video, the Welsh alphabeta is recited two ways. I'm not exactly certain how to describe the two styles ... 1) phonetically by a child? ... 2) properly named letters by an adult? Is that right?



If I was being asked by a Welsh speaker how to spell something, would I sound proper using the second style?
Pan fydd y meddwl yn cyfarwyddo'r corff i ufuddhau i'r corff yn ufuddhau. Pan fydd y meddwl yn cyfarwyddo ei hun i ufuddhau ei fod yn cwrdd gwrthsafiad.
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Re: Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby RobertBruce » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:12 am

Depends who you're talking to. To some people you might sound pretentious, to others you might sound like you're making a proper effort. It's a bit of a minefield, but fortunately one where the mines are nowhere near fatal!
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Re: Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby Lurch2 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:46 am

It's certainly good to know there is "another" alphabet, so things like "Es pedwar ec" (S4C) and "bee bee ec" (bbc) are explained, but - well, what Rob said!

[and though I have learned the second alphabet, I have to run through it to remember the name of an individual letter, and personally can't see myself making the necessary effort to become familiar enough with it to not have to do that! Not that that is worth knowing! :wink: ]

Whichever one you use, it would be good to remember "i dot" for "i" and "u bedol" for "u" to distinguish them unless you pronounce the sounds represented noticeably differently.

[Speaking (very) generally, "u" has a slightly different sound to "i" in the north. Something else to not worry about!]

And tangentially, doesn't Russian do something similar? Have an "named" alphabet but normally just make the sounds, I mean?
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Re: Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby cwmgoch » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:08 am

I have been wanting to know this for a while, so diolch yn fawr iawn for this video!
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Re: Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby dkoert » Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:08 am

Mae croeso cynnes i chi.
Pan fydd y meddwl yn cyfarwyddo'r corff i ufuddhau i'r corff yn ufuddhau. Pan fydd y meddwl yn cyfarwyddo ei hun i ufuddhau ei fod yn cwrdd gwrthsafiad.
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Re: Learning to say the Welsh alphabet

Postby chrome angel » Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:38 pm

well i never knew about the 'named' alphabet! i learnt the phonetic version...
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