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Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby simonwalton » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:41 pm

I needed to talk about a student of mine today and upon looking up the word for student (myfyriwr seems to be gender-neutral?), I couldn't actually pronounce it without contorting my face with the effort. Can anyone help me with a phonetic guide to this and similarly difficult words? :)
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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby essenbee » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:44 pm

S'mae Simon,

This is how I deal with this particular word:

myfyriwr - "muh-vuh-ree-oor"

The feminine version is myfyriwraig.

Hope that helps!

Hwyl,

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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby Lurch2 » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:17 pm

As essenbee says, with the "ee" sound being the consonantal sound of an English "y".
A three syllable muh-VUR-yoor.

Splitting hairs, though!

muh-VUH-ree-oor is- well, going to sound absolutely fine- even exactly the same, depending on who is saying it and how!

The Welsh Learners Dictionary by Heini Gruffudd is the only dictionary I know which gives a phonetic pronunciation with each word. (To learners or otherwise!)

It's not perfect- but it does help.

It gives "muhvuhryoor" as the pronunciation guide for this word.
Please feel free to correct my Welsh. My English, however, is beyond all hope.

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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby hewrop » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:29 pm

I agree with Stu & Owain's pronunciation but confess I've always found it difficult to get my mouth round it.
I agree that myfyriwraig is the right word for a woman student but I never hear it used during my time at Prifysgol Aber. I'm wondering if myfyriwr is one of those words like poet and actor that have become gender-neutral. I know that many women actors/actresses prefer to be called actors, for example.
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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby essenbee » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:29 pm

Yeah, as Owain says, I should have represented that as 3 syllables :smile:

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Ar hyn o bryd, dw i'n astudio: Cwrs 3 Gwers 20 (fersiwn y Gogledd)
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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby essenbee » Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:32 pm

hewrop wrote:I agree that myfyriwraig is the right word for a woman student but I never hear it used during my time at Prifysgol Aber. I'm wondering if myfyriwr is one of those words like poet and actor that have become gender-neutral. I know that many women actors/actresses prefer to be called actors, for example.

I think you're right Huw - I confess to using myfyriwr when taking about my daughter at Derby Uni, because its easier....

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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby Carolynne » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:12 pm

I am SO pleased not to be the only person having difficulty with this one!!!!
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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby Tahl » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:19 pm

Carolynne wrote:I am SO pleased not to be the only person having difficulty with this one!!!!

Definitely not the only one. This word gets my mouth all pruny and clogged up -- though it's a shade easier for me than my own bête noire, the dreaded . . . archfarchnad (= supermarket).
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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby MikeEllwood » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:51 pm

Now, this may not be very SSiW, but I've recently discovered:

http://www.ivona.com/en/

And they have 2 Welsh voices, one male, one female, and for my money, they aren't bad.

I specifically never would use them for words used on the SSiW courses, but for odd and difficult words encountered elsewhere, and when I don't have a Welsh speaker to ask (which is 99.9999% of the time), it's better than nothing.

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Re: Pronunciation of myfyriwr

Postby Tahl » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:07 pm

I haven't used Ivona, but I can recommend Forvo. It's been helpful to me in figuring out pronunciations.
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